
A few days ago, I landed on Wikipedia to look something up and was only too pleased to see the ever-talented and handsome Jake Gyllenhaal being featured on their front page. As I read the short entry, however, something struck me as rather odd: A gay diss, by way of insulting punctuation.
The paragraph discussed some of Jake's screen roles: a teenager troubled by psychological problems, a student, a marine, and a "gay cowboy." Those are Wikipedia's quote marks.I looked at it and wondered why Wikipedia felt compelled to say "quote" gay cowboy "unquote" (I'm holding up two fingers on both hands and making the quotation gesture when I say that), instead of just saying the words gay cowboy, no quotes, like they did for teenager and student and marine.
Do Wikipedia editors think there's no such thing as a gay cowboy? Or that, to put those two words side-by-side would be to defile the great American macho icon -- the cowboy? Maybe they are uncomfy with the love that Jack and Ennis made up there on Brokeback Mountain. Or perhaps they think Jake's heterosexual reputation needs the buffer of a couple of good quote marks to make the point that he was just play-acting, not -- eek! -- gay, like some gossip rags try to make him. You got me. I'm not saying Wikipedia is anti-gay. God knows it's
chock full of gay this and lesbian that, and even though bajillions of editors contribute to it, I've never picked up an anti-gay vibe on the site. But nevertheless, I do wonder why it is that Wikipedia in this instance saw gay as "quote", "unquote" "gay" ... instead of just, you know, gay.
I realize that this is a minor point in the grand gay scheme of things. Certainly getting ENDA and a hate crimes bill passed is far more important to me than getting my 2xist underwear in a bunch over a couple of quote marks. Still, sometimes it's the little things we come across in the course of a day that remind us that even gay-friendly people and organizations don't necessarily always "get us."
Thoughts?
Now watch two handsome gay cowboys make some gorgeous gay love (no quotes), set to Jeff Buckley.
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Tuesday 28 August
By ctSF
Maybe they quoted it because they are an "encyclopedia."
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Tuesday 28 August
By Merwyn
In fairness to Wikipedia, the quotes could have been placed there by whomever submitted the article in the first place. Of course, they also must have made an editorial choice to leave the quotes in tact. But, ever since the movie was released -- indeed, before it was even made -- the term "gay cowboy" has carried some degree of controversy. They aren't, for instance, cowboys in the traditional sense. Also the term "gay" to describe the two characters has been debated on many message boards. They certainly aren't self-identified as being gay and technically they are bisexual. How gay do you have to be to be gay? Certainly the emotional as well as sexual bond between the two would seem sufficient to me to make the term gay legitimate. I don't think the quotes are needed, but I don't find them offensive either. I don't think the quotes are meant in any way to be insulting, rather it is a reflection of how the film has been burdened since it first became a film of note. It was described as a "gay cowboy" movie at first in a dismissive way, like it was meant to be a joke. Few people would dismiss it that way today. I'd say the quotes now are a recognition of its history -- like when people refer to Woody Allen's old movies as his "early, funny moives." It isn't meant as a put down, but rather a recognition that it was originally put down in a trivial manner.
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Tuesday 28 August
By Farrish Carter
Kenneth, I think your raise an excellent point, and are not the only writer to raise issues of homophobia on Wikpedia. However, you refer to "the editors," as if they are two out of touch guys in some office in Omaha. Wikipedia is a communal effort. The next time you find something that offends, change it yourself...anyone can. I just checked the entry to correct it and it seems the entire passage has been purged.
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Tuesday 28 August
By Michael West
I can at last explain how the quotes arrived in the article. Wikipedia is completely transparant. The first mention of Bareback Mountain in the preliminary was on Sept 6 2006 when it was described as a "gay cowboy movie", another editor took at dislike to this and renamed it a "gay shepard movies". The opening was rewritten in October and no quotes gay cowboy appears. Then on this edit (Nov 15 2006) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jake_Gyllenhaal&diff=next&oldid=87570060 "Gay cowboy" appears for the first time. The reason for the quotes? The editor believed that the character was technically bisexual (or possibly a shepard). It seems bizarre, but it was purely done in good faith. :-) Mike33
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Tuesday 28 August
By Bizbe
Maybe they used the quotes because they weren't actual cowboys. Weren't they like... Ranchers? Sheep ranchers? I didn't see the movie.
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Tuesday 28 August
By Michael West
There is a discussion about the quote unquote which explains some of the reasons why it ("gay cowboy") remained on the article for 10 months. It may well reappear. The discussion can be found here and also earlier on on the page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jake_Gyllenhaal#Inaccurate_characterization Mike33
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Wednesday 29 August
By Emily
Wikipedia is dumb. It's not really even a real resource because anyone can go on there and edit it; you don't even have to work at wikipedia it could have been some dumb homophobe
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Wednesday 29 August
By KMHall
This is fucking ridiculous. Wikipedia receives contributions from millions of people. Someone on the internet decides that gay cowboy should be in quotations and the entire system is homophobic?
Fuck you for being so sensitive.
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Wednesday 29 August
By Chris
Let us take a moment and break down the word Wikipedia. It is made up of two parts: 'wiki' and 'pedia.' It is a play on the word encyclopedia, which is a book of knowledge. 'Pedia' comes from the Greek word paidea, which means education. However, the key here is the word 'wiki,' which, at the risk of this sounding like the intro to a valedictorian speech gone wrong, is defined as a collaborative web site comprised of the perpetual collective work of many authors. Hence, 'Wikipedia' is a sort of collaborative education for those seeking knowledge on the web. However, the cool thing is that anyone and everyone can add and/or edit the website to their liking. So if you don't like those quotes, take em out. Just as Wikipedia is collaborative education, the idea is collaboration leads to eventual accuracy.
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Friday 31 August
By Jeff Kitt
I can only wish that Jake is gay, and that he got my address. He is a way hot guy...sort of blue collar type..my favorite
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Tuesday 04 September
By Patrick
Maybe you're being hypersensitive? Wikipedia is written by individuals like you and me who log on and edit as they see fit. This was not some huge, monumental decision by some huge unseen committee. This was an individual's choice, easily overlooked. Get over it.
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Tuesday 04 September
By Patrick
By the way, someone fixed it. So, you'll have to find something else to get your hypersensitive panties in a wad about.
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Monday 03 September
By Sarah
As I was reading this thread I saw a comment made by Micheal West that was ten times more offensive then the quotes around gay cowboy. He called this wonderful contribution to cinema "Bareback Mountain;" which we all know, as intellegent adults, is a term that some use to describe when men engage in sexual activity with other men, without the use of a condom. This was outright disgusting to me, and no one seemed to comment on it, but just continued to explain the same quotation theory by using different words.
As to a response to this quotation fiasco; you cannot rely on such a flakey source as wikipedia for any kind of research, so I'm not even sure why you were there in the first place. Nonetheless, the quotations were not gramatically needed. Should you take offense from it? No. Most people don't understand the English language and where they need to insert any kind of puncuation. Are you going to get upset with every mispelled word, every misplaced comma, and start a riot?
The world is full of alot of idiots; therefore, wikipedia is partly ran by morons.
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Monday 03 September
By Tom
The rumors about Jake have been more than internet gossip. I think there is a good possibility that Jake is gay. The rumors have not hit the mainstream media and till then Jake does not have to address them. Jake certainly has been a friend to the gay community. I find it hard to believe that a str8 guy would that a kiss on the cheeck from Rufus Wainwright after appearing with him during one of his songs recently. You can check it out on You tub. Jake has also appeared at GLAAD and dressed in drag on SNL. He laso staed that BBM was more important to him socially than artistically when he accepted the Bafta award for best supporting actor. The heterosexual rumors may be the ones that need to be explained. Jake is awesome.
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Monday 03 September
By Tom
corrections:
A str8 guy would be comfortable getting a kiss on the check from Rufus Wainwright. You can check it out on U tube. Rufus is known as the Gay Messiah and the song has become gay national anthem.
He also stated that BBM was more importantly socially than artistically.
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Monday 03 September
By g.
I want to see this kiss on the cheek from Rufus Wainright to Jake. What song are you talking about Tom?Where can I find both.
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Wednesday 05 September
By Andrew
Maybe the quotations are there because technically speaking the two characters are not cowboys. They are sheep hearders.
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Tuesday 04 September
By Marcia
Kenneth, you speak of "Wikipedia editors" as though Wikipedia was edited and overseen by one entity. Anyone can contribute material and edit their own and others' entries. No doubt, whoever submitted and/or edited that article was just someone anonymous who was contributing to Wikipedia itself.
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Tuesday 04 September
By Carson Curtis
ban the smoking..do not worry about the gay side of this issue...
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Tuesday 04 September
By DrunkInPower
First off - I am not sure why everyone fights over comments made by other users. I have never commented until today.
Wikipidia - collects information that is CONTRIBUTED. The information is viewed and accepted if correct.
"Gay Cowboy" is probably mentioned in quotes because they are quoting Ang Lee (watch the bonus features on the DVD and it is clear that people are calling it "The Gay Cowboy Movie")
I'm gay and out to the entire world - I don't know why people have to be so gad damn sensitive!
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